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VanDamselx · Dec 03, 2007, 04:56 AM // 04:56

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Originally Posted by Haijiibirdhead

Unreasonable? What do you know of that?

I'll tell you what's unreasonable, expecting people to buy useless items from the store to get a mission pack when it was not made clear what the rewards would be. Try reading some of my points before you people jump the gun as I have been very clear on all of them.

For starters if you had listened, you would know that

I never said that Arenanet should re release the offer for me, at least not in the same way, because even if it was released again now, I would not spend $30 of uselessness for it. Corporate manipulation is ftl. What I said was that I am giving my reasons as to why I did not purchase EotN prematurely, but isnt HINDSIGHT a marvelous thing. I did not know then what I know now due to Anet wanting it to be such a big secret. Whatever. I am not going to lose sleep over not having these weapons for my heroes, but you have no right to belittle those who do have real regret. Especially when the TOPIC is asking WHY people regret it.

A regret which is not up for debate. I repeat.

Can you people understand that? That trying to stamp out someones opinions or feelings after it was ASKED for by the damn topic TITLE is absurd?

No , but perhaps they should make allowances for bad PR, too vague indications of the rewards, leading to insufficient knowledge of the investment vs reward for many of their customers to make a decision, and for those who spend their money in retail shops.

Go on, can you give me one good reason why people who spent $30 or more in retail stores on GW shouldnt of gotten the BMP?

Don't call people's regret foolish when the topic title is asking them to express said regret. It makes you look incredibly dictatorial.

Why shouldn't they have gotten the BMP? IT WAS A PROMOTION TO USE THE ONLINE STORE! Why the hell are you so confused about this? It has nothing to do about being the most loyalest consumer ever and nothing to do with retail stores. I gave up going to the retail store to get GW:EN through the online store and the BMP is the best box/manual replacement I've ever seen. They obviously felt that sales were lacking in the online store department and they wanted to find a way to pick them up. I didn't find GW:EN to be real useless either, it's obvious they wanted to pair this promotion with the release of GW:EN. What better way than offering FREE CONTENT WITH YOUR PURCHASES?

No one knew about what the rewards would be and they left it as a surprise. Shouldn't that be indication enough that they may be something good if they wanted to leave it as a surprise? How fun would it be if we knew what the skins looked like before we got them? I don't understand how there was bad PR when it's been talked about and fully advertised for weeks. I'm sorry you thought it was going to totally suck ass and now you're wrong. You missed out because you thought nothing good would come out of it. I certainly feel no sympathy for you. For others who wanted to go through with it and couldn't due to some unforeseen problem, I do feel bad for.

Haijiibirdhead · Dec 03, 2007, 05:03 AM // 05:03

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See tahts an unfair statement simply because u say its simply convient. if anet did not offer the BMP, i would NEVER buy it online because buying it thru the store gave me access to the box. therefore, it wasnt convenient. in ur story, u are basically stating that everyone was going to buy what they wanted online because that was waht they wanted to do in the first place, regardless of the BMP.

You completely miss the point of that analogy.
Those who are going to that point in the counry anyway had nothing to lose. If youre going to but GWEN anyway, then ya, you again have nothing or at most - little to lose by buying online that you couldnt lose going retail.

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Why shouldn't they have gotten the BMP? IT WAS A PROMOTION TO USE THE ONLINE STORE!

I'm not confused about this. But youve given no reason, seeing that my point is that it shouldnt of been online only. Do you listen at all anywhere?

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No one knew about what the rewards would be and they left it as a surprise.

Yet many people were going to buy EotN anyway and so effectively had nothing to lose. Not so for others.

I honestly couldnt give a crap about your sympathy pal. I didnt ask for it so dont raise yourself.

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It was something free that they offered.

How does buying extra character slots that one will never use to get it (effectively buying nothing) , qualify as "free"?

And saying that its no fun if you know what one of the skins looks likem is as ridiculous as saying a movie's no fun because it has a teaser trailer.

Snow Bunny · Dec 03, 2007, 05:09 AM // 05:09

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Originally Posted by Haijiibirdhead

How does buying extra character slots that one will never use (effectively buying nothing) , qualify as "free"?

Then that's your fault.

I qualified for it with buying EotN.

Others did that, and other things that they wanted to have.

Stop QQing, and uninstall please. Your arguments are baed

[DE] · Dec 03, 2007, 05:14 AM // 05:14

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Originally Posted by Snow Bunny

Then that's your fault.

I qualified for it with buying EotN.

Others did that, and other things that they wanted to have.

Stop QQing, and uninstall please. Your arguments are baed

Do you really fail that much at comprehension?

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uninstall please. Your arguments are baed

Snow Bunny · Dec 03, 2007, 05:17 AM // 05:17

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Originally Posted by The Phantom

Do you really fail that much at comprehension?

I don't.

If he purchased 3 char slots to qualify for the BMP, then he paid for the BMP, and it's his fault.

It however, is fundamentally "free". It was timed so that you could purchase EotN in the store and qualify for the BMP.

So yes, free.

Was there anything else you wanted?

Haijiibirdhead · Dec 03, 2007, 05:19 AM // 05:19

and the blinkered and ignorant debating award for arguing in in Absolutes goes to Snow Bunny.

I didnt pay for the BMP. It was just an example.

We're done here. The topic title requested why I feel a degree of regret on not getting the BMP and I have answered that question.

The vadility of any regrets that I or others may have is outside the scope of the topic's open question, and frankly , none of the business of any of you.

maraxusofk · Dec 03, 2007, 06:00 AM // 06:00

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Originally Posted by Haijiibirdhead

You completely miss the point of that analogy.
Those who are going to that point in the counry anyway had nothing to lose. If youre going to but GWEN anyway, then ya, you again have nothing or at most - little to lose by buying online that you couldnt lose going retail.

Yet many people were going to buy EotN anyway and so effectively had nothing to lose. Not so for others.

im not sure but if they had nothign to lose, why didnt they? i understand that there are some who COUDLNT order online. but alot of the ppl who want the pack to be releaseed said they CHOSE not to. if they had nothing to lsoe but chose NOT to take advantage, isnt that their fault?

Day and Night · Dec 03, 2007, 06:23 AM // 06:23

As for me, to get BMP, i've asked my friend and used his CC to buy GWEN through ingame store.
I don't mind if ANet will release BMP keys for sale now, when promotion is over.

Abnaxus · Dec 03, 2007, 08:01 AM // 08:01

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Originally Posted by Snow Bunny

If he purchased 3 char slots to qualify for the BMP, then he paid for the BMP, and it's his fault.

It however, is fundamentally "free". It was timed so that you could purchase EotN in the store and qualify for the BMP.

So yes, free.

Was there anything else you wanted?

Well, the promotion was not exactly "buy EoTN on the online store, get a free BMP".

It was "buy anything up to 30$ and get a free BMP".

I've found several posts of people who wanted EOTN boxed, and in order to qualify for the BMP choose to buy useless char slots.
As you said, they actually paid for the BMP.

It would have been much more honest from A.net if they had made BMP as a unique bonus for purchasing EoTN online, but only EoTN and not other products.

They knew that some customers, especially the most loyal who have already bought everything possible from them, would have bought even unneeded things in order to qualify.

They knew this and that's why they made the promotion this way, to get as much money as possible.

gone · Dec 03, 2007, 10:19 AM // 10:19

LoL..I swear the more I read, the more I think of this quote from an infamous toon.

"I'd gladly pay you Tuesday, for a hamburger today."

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I've found several posts of people who wanted EOTN boxed, and in order to qualify for the BMP choose to buy useless char slots.
As you said, they actually paid for the BMP.

No they actually paid for character slots. and anyone who thinks that those slots are 'useless' are probably using them right now as mules to hold their hero's junk while they dec them out with all the new sooper ooober sweeeet seksii skinzzz.

Abnaxus · Dec 03, 2007, 11:40 AM // 11:40

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Originally Posted by flubber

No they actually paid for character slots. and anyone who thinks that those slots are 'useless' are probably using them right now as mules to hold their hero's junk while they dec them out with all the new sooper ooober sweeeet seksii skinzzz.

If you check other threads, the buyers themselves were the first to define their purchases useless.

Anyway, thanks for the great lesson of life you gave all of us, about how useful and wise is to spend 30$ to hold hero's junk.

Really, people have lost the sensibility about the value of money.

gone · Dec 03, 2007, 11:42 AM // 11:42

I have. and they don't seem to have any sense of value. it's not like they handed 30 smackaroos out for NOTHING. even if it was just to qualify for the BMP...

milan · Dec 03, 2007, 01:03 PM // 13:03

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Originally Posted by Abnaxus

They knew this and that's why they made the promotion this way, to get as much money as possible.

How mean, uncharitable and money grabbing Anet is, anyone would think they had overheads and wanted to make a profit while offering people a limited time offer

Simple fact. Everyone who was playing GW during the qualification period had a chance to get the BMP if they wanted it. A simple google search would have provided information on pre paid cards for your country, more items were added to the store during the promotion as well.

You chose not to, you missed out. Simple as that

Kikuta · Dec 03, 2007, 01:16 PM // 13:16

I bought GWEN, I figured that would meet the requirement to be eligible.

Guess not.

Here's hoping they release it as an upgrade for those who don't have it

Ebony Shadowheart · Dec 03, 2007, 01:56 PM // 13:56

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Originally Posted by Firebaall

That's bullcrap.

As I said in the petition thread, if you're old enough to be playing this game, you're old enough to earn the $29.00. If you're old enough to earn $29.00, you should be smart enough to figure out how to get payment to Anet's online store.

An eight year old can pick up bottles, or open a lemonade stand, cut the neighbour's grass/shovel snow. etc.

Point is, they would rather sit on their butts in front of a computer and complain about it. Much better then have had done anything about it... Right?

Even if they earned the money themselves, that still doesn't mean that the parents would purchase them what they wanted through the online store. Some parents/guardians still refuse to purchase anything via the internet because a lot of people still distrust it. Of course, with all the identity theft and such, I can't really blame them.

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Originally Posted by Kikuta

I bought GWEN, I figured that would meet the requirement to be eligible.

Guess not.

Here's hoping they release it as an upgrade for those who don't have it

I bought GWEN, that's how I met my eligability. I only regret not buying GWEN via the store on my other account. Of course, I wasn't going to wait 24-48 hours for them to get their heads out of their a**es and fix their screw up (claimed my card was fradualent. wtfe. even tried using a diff card.) So I just went to Best Buy and bought a box.

Abnaxus · Dec 03, 2007, 02:01 PM // 14:01

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Originally Posted by milan

How mean, uncharitable and money grabbing Anet is, anyone would think they had overheads and wanted to make a profit while offering people a limited time offer

If you bother reading the previous posts, we were discussing about the fact that there are players who bought something they would never have bought, because it was the only way to qualify.
Just go to the closed thread and find many posters who said that their wallets are 30 buck lighter and they're now staring at their 3 empty slots.
This because they had already bought everything possible, and preferred the boxed version of EoTN.

Also, the unlock packs (that for instance I bought) came after the promotion.
In the promotion period, besides EoTN, for someone who already had everything the only way would have been wasting 30 bucks for empty slots.

The promotion was "buy everything you want, the only thing that matters is that you give us your 30 bucks".

In my opinion, this is not a good way to handle a promotion.
Would have been much more correct if they said "buy EoTN online and only in this case you get the bmp".
Or "buy a campaign". A campaign is content. Empty slots are nothing.

No one expects Anet/NC to be charitable, but he way they did, yes it's somehow money grabbing.

gone · Dec 03, 2007, 02:37 PM // 14:37

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Originally Posted by Abnaxus

Also, the unlock packs (that for instance I bought) came after the promotion.

pure marketing genius, stacked with a smattering of even more incentive to use their online store.

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Originally Posted by Abnaxus

In the promotion period, besides EoTN, for someone who already had everything the only way would have been wasting 30 bucks for empty slots.

Or make the choice to not spend a dime and possibly miss out on something.

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Originally Posted by Abnaxus

The promotion was "buy everything you want, the only thing that matters is that you give us your 30 bucks".

yep

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Originally Posted by Abnaxus

In my opinion, this is not a good way to handle a promotion.
Would have been much more correct if they said "buy EoTN online and only in this case you get the bmp".

That is even more conditional then the cut-off price for qualification.

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Originally Posted by Abnaxus

Or "buy a campaign". A campaign is content. Empty slots are nothing.

what would a campaign be if you bought it and had no character(s) to play it? LoL....nothing.

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Originally Posted by Abnaxus

No one expects Anet/NC to be charitable, but he way they did, yes it's somehow money grabbing.

it's all about the Benjamin's.

Pompeyfan · Dec 03, 2007, 02:50 PM // 14:50

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Originally Posted by Snow Bunny

I don't.

If he purchased 3 char slots to qualify for the BMP, then he paid for the BMP, and it's his fault.

It however, is fundamentally "free". It was timed so that you could purchase EotN in the store and qualify for the BMP.

So yes, free.

Was there anything else you wanted?

No it wasen't free - to qualify for it I bought EotN through the online store at £10 more for a digital download than a boxed store bought copy would have cost me (£25 from the online store compared to £15 delivered from sendit.com - thats some profiteering overhead from anet there - 40% more for something costing less to produce/distribute. In fact tjhe EothN 'expansion' was more expensive than any of the three full boxed games I bought at £17.99 each delivered, so if the BMP is put up for sale at anything less than £10 or $20 I'd expect a refund of the difference)

In fact, if I'd known that all the BMP would be was 4 short solo missions with just a few customised weapons (albit very nice skins) I'd have saved the £10 and not bothered with it as it's not worth £10 and I'd think twice at £1.99, but I thought it'd be more like Sorrows Furnace or the Titan's quests after finishing properchies in size/scope that I could play with friends and my favorite character.

Abnaxus · Dec 03, 2007, 03:32 PM // 15:32

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Originally Posted by Pompeyfan

No it wasen't free - to qualify for it I bought EotN through the online store at £10 more for a digital download than a boxed store bought copy would have cost me (£25 from the online store compared to £15 delivered from sendit.com - thats some profiteering overhead from anet there - 40% more for something costing less to produce/distribute. In fact tjhe EothN 'expansion' was more expensive than any of the three full boxed games I bought at £17.99 each delivered, so if the BMP is put up for sale at anything less than £10 or $20 I'd expect a refund of the difference)

I totally agree.
Although the digital distribution is total profit for A.net/NC (no boxes, no shipping, no retailer revenues), prices in the online store are 25-30% higher than boxed versions, and this from day 1, not because of sellouts made by retailers after some months.
When the previous campaigns were full price, the difference was 90% more (49,99€ online against 27,99 from sendit).

Even now, EoTN is 34,99€ online against 27,99€ boxed - and it's not even eligible of the BMP.

Stockholm · Dec 03, 2007, 04:12 PM // 16:12

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Originally Posted by Abnaxus

I totally agree.
Although the digital distribution is total profit for A.net/NC (no boxes, no shipping, no retailer revenues), prices in the online store are 25-30% higher than boxed versions, and this from day 1, not because of sellouts made by retailers after some months.
When the previous campaigns were full price, the difference was 90% more (49,99€ online against 27,99 from sendit).

Even now, EoTN is 34,99€ online against 27,99€ boxed - and it's not even eligible of the BMP.

The reson for that is that the STORE is setting a lower price than the recomended retail price (witch is what you pay in the online store), when a company sells a product to retailers they can not sell it cheaper to consumers them selfs than what the recomended price is. Thats the law.
What the stores is doing when selling cheaper cuts in to the stores profit not A-Nets.